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We, London Fire Brigade, are proposing to make some changes to the way we work so that our services are more responsive to local needs and so we can adapt to the ever-changing needs of our city.
After responding to our consultation about our Community Risk Management Plan, is there anything else you want to add? Have we missed anything critical from our approach? What suggestions, concerns or worries do you have?
Please let us know in the discussion below, co-moderated by Talk London and London Fire Brigade.
The discussion ran from 02 September 2021 - 10 October 2021
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Official Representative 3 years agoHi all, thank you for your comments on LTNs. While it is possible that an LTN could affect our ability attend an incident quickly, our crews do their best to know their local areas and plan routes to deal with circumstances like this. Our attendance times across London are very good and we haven't yet seen LTNs impacting on them.
What other issues do you believe we should be focusing on moving forward in the future?
Thanks,
LFB
IMAAN.VSENW
Community Member 3 years agoMY NEIGHBOURHOOD WATCH WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE LFB AT LAMBETH FIRE STATION & THE MET POLICE OFFICERS AND SAFER NEIGHBOURHOODS POLICE TEAMS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THE POLICE & BRIGADE & I WORK WELL AS A TEAM ROLLING OUT FIRE SAFETY TALKS &...
Show full commentMY NEIGHBOURHOOD WATCH WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE LFB AT LAMBETH FIRE STATION & THE MET POLICE OFFICERS AND SAFER NEIGHBOURHOODS POLICE TEAMS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THE POLICE & BRIGADE & I WORK WELL AS A TEAM ROLLING OUT FIRE SAFETY TALKS & MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF THE FREE HOME FIRE SAFETY VISITS.
OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS MADE OUR PART OF THE WARD SAFER. THERE ARE 8 STREETS, TWO CHURCHES, AN ACTIVITY CENRE AND ST. ANDREW'S YOUTH CLUB ON OLD PYE STREET.
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Community Member 3 years agoToo many points to ponder but having people in charge who have no experience in high rise fires is sloppy and unprofessional .
Show full commentThe-policy of (in high rise) telling people to stay in their flat is wrong , eg Grenville Tower . You did not...
Too many points to ponder but having people in charge who have no experience in high rise fires is sloppy and unprofessional .
Show less of commentThe-policy of (in high rise) telling people to stay in their flat is wrong , eg Grenville Tower . You did not come back to get the people. Did you?
Err on the cautious rather than what you have done for “years”..
PdB
Community Member 3 years agoIt is essential that all managing agents are regulated and operate to a code of conduct especially where safety is involved
opal1
Community Member 3 years agoJust thank you LFB and I hope there are no further cuts to budgets and operating stations in and around London.
RoryG21
Community Member 3 years agoThe cure responsibility of the LFB is responding to emergencies. All effort should be put towards training and making sure our crews are the BEST they can be
nc237
Community Member 3 years agoI agree.
Ozzie
Community Member 3 years agoAccessibility for people to respond to this consultation who do not read or write in English.
There is no mention of response times and if this is important when thinking of risk i believe this is directly linked to reduce the impact of...
Show full commentAccessibility for people to respond to this consultation who do not read or write in English.
There is no mention of response times and if this is important when thinking of risk i believe this is directly linked to reduce the impact of the risk getting bigger by appliances arriving in a timely manner. Should this be a national standard?
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Community Member 3 years agoThe fire brigade needs to be well equipped to handle fires in high rise buildings. It needs to test the access to these buildings properly.
Fire regulations needs to be effective without adding huge financial burden to leaseholders. For...
Show full commentThe fire brigade needs to be well equipped to handle fires in high rise buildings. It needs to test the access to these buildings properly.
Fire regulations needs to be effective without adding huge financial burden to leaseholders. For example waking watch is ineffective and causes huge financial burden to leaseholders. You can't just keep passing on the costs to leaseholders. The government or property developers needs to step in to help with this. The whole situation has been very unfair to leaseholders who have bought their homes in good faith
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Community Member 3 years agoToo many of the questions weren’t questions which could attract a negative response. Eg, question that effectively asks do we need right people with right skills. Who would say no? What do you learn from the answers? That we all want fire...
Show full commentToo many of the questions weren’t questions which could attract a negative response. Eg, question that effectively asks do we need right people with right skills. Who would say no? What do you learn from the answers? That we all want fire fighters to know what they’re doing when they respond to a fire? Was that in doubt?!
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Community Member 3 years agoWORRIES
Show full comment- some of world's most lax fire regs (no sprinkler requirements, no second fire escape)
- there is no high ladder despite living in the highest density area in England (E14).
- Stay Put policy is dangerous because buildings have not...
WORRIES
Show less of comment- some of world's most lax fire regs (no sprinkler requirements, no second fire escape)
- there is no high ladder despite living in the highest density area in England (E14).
- Stay Put policy is dangerous because buildings have not been built to regulation.
- Waking watches are entirely ineffective
- Those in high rises need advice on whether they should keep smoke hoods, fire blankets, extinguishers, etc at home. Especially those in high rises with flammable cladding.
fener
Community Member 3 years agoBTW one of the monitoring Qs at the end of the survey is badly designed, as it doesn't offer a cohabiting response - none of the responses I could tick described what must be a common situation for many Londoners
Julia lafene
Community Member 3 years agoThe density of high rise buildings has increased sharply here in Wembley. I just hope that adequate safety measures are in place so that people living in these will be able to get out easily if there is an emergency.
BKeith
Community Member 3 years agoThe cycle lanes introduced in Enfield cause traffic to stop every time a bus stops and create traffic congestion. There cannot have been any risk assessment done on time added for emergency services to get to an incident in roads off the...
Show full commentThe cycle lanes introduced in Enfield cause traffic to stop every time a bus stops and create traffic congestion. There cannot have been any risk assessment done on time added for emergency services to get to an incident in roads off the hertford road. AND the cycle lanes are hardly ever used for cycles ! main users are out of control electric scooters or parking at take aways, or fast food delivery scooters.
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Community Member 3 years agoMy most immediate concern is for those people who live in the flats with cladding. Nothing is being done and they cannot move as the properties are virtually un-saleable.
Victoria Secretan
Community Member 3 years agoGreat that you are asking. Vx
It would be hood to receive more information on the pros and cons of domestic fire /smoke alarms, small extinguishers and any other low key safety measures
Lee43
Community Member 3 years ago1 - Many household smoke alarms are too sensitive, making people complacent about them going off.
2 - Danger of lack of fire appliance access to so-called 'smart motorways' where the hard shoulder is used as a lane.
tomslhowe
Community Member 3 years agoModern smoke alarms are designed to be, and are, far more resistant to cooking vapour, i.e from a toaster or burnt food.
The solution however is to install a heat alarm in areas such as kitchens where this situation is likely to happen...
Show full commentModern smoke alarms are designed to be, and are, far more resistant to cooking vapour, i.e from a toaster or burnt food.
The solution however is to install a heat alarm in areas such as kitchens where this situation is likely to happen. These actuate when the temperature rises to an unsafe level and not when smoke is detected.
The correct alarm located in the correct place will rarely go off due to over sensitivity.
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Official Representative 3 years agoHi all,
We have seen a number of comments questioning why we have asked information on demographic data including gender reassignment. We collect this information so that we can ensure that the consultation is fully representative of all the sections of the communities we have in London. This information also tells us where different communities have different concerns or priorities and enables us to meet their needs.
Thanks,
LFB
AlanHenness
Community Member 3 years agoBut you don't ask about the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. And you also don't ask about the protected characteristic of sex. These are both part of your Public Sector Equality Duty under the Equality Act 2010.
You asked...
Show full commentBut you don't ask about the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. And you also don't ask about the protected characteristic of sex. These are both part of your Public Sector Equality Duty under the Equality Act 2010.
You asked 'Is your gender the gender you were assigned at birth?' This is meaningless drivel. 'Gender' is not a protected characteristic under the Act and is not (whatever you mean by it) 'assigned' at birth.
If you want to find out about the number of those who have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, I would suggest you ask about that.
You also asked 'What is your gender' with options of Man, Woman and Other.
Again, 'gender' is not a protected characteristic. Sex is a protected characteristic but you don't ask about that and the only possible options are female and male. 'Gender' is not a synonym for sex. Woman and man are part of the protected characteristic of sex (as defined in the Act) so using them in a question on 'gender' can only be confusing.
If you collect personal information on 'gender' you may have difficulty in providing a lawful basis under UK GDPR for processing these data.
Will you undertake to review this and your other policies, etc to make sure they comply with the Act and UK GDPR?
Show less of commentAlanHenness
Community Member 3 years agoHi LFB
Can you respond to the points I raised about the protected characteristics under the Equality Act and your PSED?
Thanks.
Madep
Community Member 3 years agoOur concerns are local and relate to the inability of a fire appliance to access our roads RM6 6ND which only have a single access point from the A118. Due to increasing population and controlled parking zones in other areas our roads are...
Show full commentOur concerns are local and relate to the inability of a fire appliance to access our roads RM6 6ND which only have a single access point from the A118. Due to increasing population and controlled parking zones in other areas our roads are packed with cars that do not belong to residents but obstruct corners, are dumped causing a latent fire hazard, and prevent access for emergency vehicles. It has been an ongoing concern for us.
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Community Member 3 years agoThere is no space to say that your flat is leasehold - you may have paid the mortgage , but you are not an outright owner - your safety depends on your managing agent - you have not covered that anywhere in your survey - and this is one of...
Show full commentThere is no space to say that your flat is leasehold - you may have paid the mortgage , but you are not an outright owner - your safety depends on your managing agent - you have not covered that anywhere in your survey - and this is one of the biggest problems in London
Show less of commentDocklandsGal
Community Member 3 years agoI understand why fields like age could be relevant but this was not asked, whereas gender and sexuality was requested - why??? How is this relevant to the LFB assessing risk??
daramyya
Community Member 3 years agoNew Coolant tanks/tankers especially Aircraft Tankers with Rain drops mode are likely to boot precision levels of forest fires especially in high temperate conditions whereby dry powder and lukewarm water cannot necessarily boost our safe...
Show full commentNew Coolant tanks/tankers especially Aircraft Tankers with Rain drops mode are likely to boot precision levels of forest fires especially in high temperate conditions whereby dry powder and lukewarm water cannot necessarily boost our safe efforts.
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